Yesterday I was listening to CSPAN on my way to the office. Donald Kerwan of the National Migration Institute was on discussing the Arizona Immigration Law and why it sucks. (The program isn’t actually loaded on the page yet, and to be honest, I didn’t hear all of the program so I am reporting only a small portion) Okay, he wasn’t saying it sucks. In fact, he was being really professional and never once used the words ‘stupid’ or ‘sucks’ or even ‘racist’ during the entire broadcast. Instead, he focused on the issues with the law such as venturing into territory already covered by federal law and in some cases increasing restrictions in contravention of already established federal law; problems with implementation of the law by local law enforcement; and why just fashioning a law after one that doesn’t work is not the answer. (Hey Mr. Kerwan, I want credit. I already said that.) I listened and was impressed with his ability to not call people morons.
So, CSPAN has three lines you can call in on, Democrat, independent and republican. If they hadn’t announced which line was being answered, I would have no idea who was what since they all sounded the same. Contrary to my desire to believe otherwise, most of the callers I heard agreed with the law and had varying opinions on how it could be strengthened with even more restrictions on immigration.
Hint: Before you go on national radio and say dumb things, check your facts. I am assuming you have access to google. Look it up. If you don’t have a computer, then you probably still have Encyclopedia’s. Open them.
Everyone in this country truly believes they are entitled to not only have an opinion, but to espouse it whenever there is an opportunity. This is a country where you can’t piss on your own front lawn, but you can say whatever idiotic thing comes to mind and call it an ‘opinion’ and everyone nods their head and says “right, you are entittled to that.” It is this belief that has contributed to the dumbing down of America. An opinion doesn’t have to be based on fact or logic, just on how you feel at the time. It can be based on nothing at all. If you start a sentence with “I think. . . ” then no one can argue with you, right? Here’s my opinion – when you say “I think. . .” and follow it up with just pure nonesense, you forever forfeit your right to have an opinion.
Television shows, radio, blogs, twitter. Folks have an endless variety of options for getting their views out there. I, myself, have used this blog for years to just say whatever I wanted whenever I want. You don’t have to read it if you don’t like it (but how can you not like me, I’m so sweet?) and I could change the channel if I wanted. It’s part of living in an ostensibly free country that gives people all sorts of leeway in some stuff they say.
I, personally, try to avoid taking up subjects about which I have nary a clue, like tax law, or the price of tea in China. If I don’t know something, and it interests me, I’ll look it up, try to find out what I can about it, but probably would not engage in debate, at least not publicly. I don’t analyze the law on this blog, nor do I tell people how to try cases although I am probably qualified to do both. Perhaps I play it bit safe here, but I’d rather not open myself up to public ridicule if I am truly out of my depth.
I wish more people felt that way. It’s like hearing the voice of God — a talk show on the Arizona immigration law? Well, I have an opinion about that! It’s not based on anything that applies in reality, but in my head I have all sorts of thoughts. And, you know, they are asking for them so I have a duty to provide them with the thoughts that are in my head.
So, CSPAN. Right. A woman calls in (on the democratic line) and says “If someone is here illegally, then I think that person’s children who are born in the United States should not be citizens. Why are they allowed to be citizens?” Dear, sweet white person, presumably born to United States Citizen parents, or at least lawful residents, it is a shame you ask such a question. If a person is born here they are a citizen because our constitution says so. You are a most likely a citizen for the same reason that the illegal immigrant’s child is. The 14th Amendment to our constitution. You know, that document that is the foundation of our country. Thank God you are a citizen by birth because you would fail the civics test if you had to take it.
Why should this woman not have called in? Let’s analyze: First, we can agree this is her opinion. We can agree that the opinion is just a feeling she has about people born to undocumented immigrants. It clearly doesn’t mean anything unless she is calling for the country to repeal the 14th amendment. She might as well have said “slippery gibbets grow purple rain grass.” It means nothing. It is a total waste of time. Because she isn’t calling for the repeal. She doesn’t even know about the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Why did she get on the air? What value does her opinion give to the world? None. But others who hold this same opinion feel validated. And that’s all it is, just a way to let people know hey there are others who feel the same way you do. You aren’t alone in your dumb thoughts!
The immigration debate wages on. The real answer, Comprehensive Immigration Reform, if viewed as distasteful because it gives ‘amnesty’ to those who have broken the law and entered or stayed here without any lawful status. In the meantime, the folks who have stupid stuff to say need to understand that all anyone wants is the ability to come here, get on the radio, and say stupid stuff too. Truth, justice, and the stupid American way.
I think that I am very glad I agree with you on this one. I'm also glad you agree with Donald Kerwin, because he is an old friend from college days. I wouldn't want to have to take sides.
There are people who know about the "all persons born" language and just don't like it. They refer to it as "birthright citizenship," and they argue that Congress didn't intend it to apply to the children of people who are here illegally, and that the current Congress can therefore change the interpretation.
Since there was essentially no such thing as illegal immigration when the 14th Amendment was passed, I don't think we can deduce the intent of Congress in this regard, so I think we have to fall back on the plain language. Of course, I'm not an expert, so I should probably just shut up…
Uh, it's not just some citizens, but most citizens who would fail a civics test. In my experience, only naturalized people (and lawyers) have knowledge of the Constitution and their rights, which translates into law enforcement being able to intimidate, railroad, and deceive most people they encounter. Civics should be taught in high school in practical terms, as knowing one's Constitutional rights can make a big difference in the outcome of police encounters, as compared to knowing whether George Washington wore dentures or not.
Yes, they should teach it in school. But I went to school here and I learned it. In fact, I went to a rinky dink subpar Catholic school. In this day and age information is easy to come by and it is incredibly easy to look stuff up – like the constitution.
As far as knowing your rights go, well that's another story all together. Knowing all of your rights might not get you very far when you are faced with an officer of the law. The one thing you should always keep in mind is you don't have to talk to the cops, and you shouldn't. Not without talking to a lawyer.
@Windy – I'm sure there are people who don't like it. We are really good at chipping away at all of the stuff we don't like. But that's just my opinion.
Our former nanny was a naturalized citizen from Bolivia. There was no one who valued her citizenship more than she. All you had to do to bring her to tears was to sing "This Land Is Your Land, This Land is My Land." Her allegiance to this country was very touching.
We immigrants don't take it for granted.
What's civics? You mean like Honda Civics?
All kidding aside…let's keep in mind that radio (no matter the content or style) is based on ratings and what will grasp and retain listeners. Controversial callers help forward an interesting discussion. This is the same reason most radio hosts yell and fight with callers, its more interesting than being agreeable and logical. Also, those telephone calls are usually screened by interns or board ops…so if we were to expect better callers we would need better screeners who understand the content and aren't just screening out cranks and crazies.
It's alot to ask from people working in a medium that's struggling to stay relevant…
I was gonna ask about birthright citizenship, but Windypundit said it better.
As a child of two 1st generation immigrants, after my mom got her citizenship, she legally sponsored her siblings and parents (those were the days when is was much easier!). My dad helped dozens of Korean get their US citizenship, including my grandma who didn't speak much English, in fact she had a Korean translator, but she had to state her answers in English. I know the questions for citizenship, because I had to help my grandma and grandpa practice their answers.
Some people just want to be "heard" no matter now inane their comments and how stupid they sound on tv or radio. Ever hear some of the callers on talk radio???
There are no easy answers for immigration. Although our country was built on immigration, clearly times have changed and at least some people can have a rational and reasonable conversation.